BSG: Also Sprach Kara Thrace-stra

Mmmm... I am going to put my money on Starbuck not being dead, or a Cylon, but captured in a clever trap set by the Kara-obsessed Leoban. Who knows what Jedi mind-tricks he dreamed up while toying with her for months on New Caprica. She is probably now aboard Leoban's Heavy Raider being fondled.

Eick & Moore have so blatantly telegraphed the "Starbuck is a Cylon" spoiler that it is most likely a ruse to stir up interest in a seres that has once again wandered off into political intrigue and psychodrama.

I tried and tired to get attached to this show. I watched the entire first season and really liked it. For whatever reason, I just have not been able to engage myself in it since then.

I think Starbuck is technically dead, but not gone--she's in a "place between life and death". Way back in season 1 I started to get sick of "hero" Starbuck and I would groan every time I saw the episode was going to focus on her, especially her and Lee! I mostly appreciated this episode because it was so different. As far as your comment about too much personal business, I just hate when people say that. I mean, of course this is a show about humanity running from the Cylons, but how can you be really into this show and not care about the interpersonal dynamics? I thought the drama with Chief and the union was one of the best in awhile. But then, I'm not a professional TV-watcher, so what do I know?

Heather,

That's right! Don't question me until you've gotten your doctorate in TVology! Respect my authoritah!

Seriously, the personal-biz stuff is really more a matter of balance. (And I realized as I wrote it that it was ironic because I'm often defending Lost from exactly the same charge.) I guess what I care about in BSG is interpersonal dynamics as it relates to the larger story. Tigh offing his wife for having betrayed the resistance, for instance--that was compelling. The Adama-Apollo tensions: kinda interesting. But the entire drama with Lee and Starbuck's marriages lost me. Maybe it's because, when BSG delves into that sort of personal drama, it's just not as distinctive.

Incidentally, I actually really liked the union episode, not so much for the interpersonal stories as for how it shed light on the culture of the humans and the class tensions among the survivors--there, you had a smaller story that worked both on the macro and micro levels.

Upon further reflection, I concede the point. I, too, was completely uninterested in, and a little annoyed by, the Lee-Starbuck affair. I like the way you characterized such drama as not "distinctive". It also occurred to me that the same principle applies to Lost, at least for me. The interpersonal is good, but only when it relates to the story as a whole. I've just had a TV epiphany!

I thought the Starbuck-Apollo relationship was far more interesting in seasons 1 and 2, where it had a sexual tension component, but was at least as much about competition/rivalry, a sort of unwilling respect for each other, and baggage from their pasts, especially Starbuck's relationship with Apollo's brother. Who has entirely disappeared for all intents and purposes, so yeah...

I don't dislike the interpersonal or emotional aspects of the show, but I also prefer them when they're in the context of the larger storylines. A lot of episodes this season have felt rather adrift for me (see, Starbuck-Apollo flashback episode, Helo and Dr Death, Cally and Chief in the airlock, etc etc etc). This isn't to say I want to focus exclusively on the race to Earth, but it just works so much better when the personal dynamics are within a larger context or theme, of which BSG has many to choose from.

As for Starbuck being dead, alive, or a Cylon, I haven't yet decided, but a friend of mine is convinced she's some sort of half-Cylon-- she has an elaborate theory about Kara's mother being raped or otherwise impregnated during the first Cylon War (thus explaining her cruelty to Kara). Hence, like Hera, she has a special destiny. However, all the Cylons seem sure that Hera is the first human-Cylon baby, so I'm not sure how far you can take the theory, but it's interesting nonetheless.

Actually, I like the interpersonal story lines ... for instance, the "boxing" episode that filled in how people were living on New Caprica before the Cylon occupation. I think these episodes help illuminate the human condition that the Cylons both despise and desire. They also make the series much more real to me than just another space series. I find the whole Cylon-human emotional & religious comparison fascinating. In my view, the weight and reality of the interpersonal stories (and yes the political story lines that touch on many current themes) is what makes the Colonials' quest for earth and survival worth watching.

Starbuck is the LIFE BLOOD of the BSG series. I think the series will loose major viewership if Starbuck is dead or off the show for a prolonged period.
Also, from a BSG fan's point of view I do not really enjoy all the interpersonal story lines that develop between characters. It does not seem believable. The characters should remain BIGGER than life & focus on their struggles against the cylons & their relentless fight for humanity. Their hatred, fears, strenghts, weaknesses, & relationships as it pertains to the cylons is what's important for humanity to survive (or in this case for the show to survive).

I just watched this episode - and I must say I was shocked. I've often wondered about who is or isn't a cylon, but Starbuck wasn't one I had really considered before, at least not seriously.

Anyway, the mere fact that she is having visions, "speaking" with Leoban and has a "special destiny" according to him and her mother and that oracle, makes me wonder, is she really dead? Is she a cylon? I have a feeling she may not be a cylon, but I don't think she's quite dead. there's too much lead up to the whole idea that she has this further destiny and that she has something to do... if that's so, how does she accomplish that by dying in this episode? Did I miss something?

As for the whole interpersonal relationships discussion above - I am not a soap-opera kinda guy, but this show is about more than just the aliens and the space ships and dogfighting. It's essentially a show about the survival of humanity. In that kind of show, how can you not have episodes that focus on aspects of humanity, one of the most important being interpersonal relationships? OK, maybe it's a bit much sometimes (the whole boxing match/affair flashback episode was my least favorite of all the eps I have seen from all seasons), but really, those are just as important as the political maneuverings and the search for the 13th colony and the struggle for sanity...

Just a thought or 2...

Cheers!

Well this could be the death knell for BSG... If they don’t bring Kara back pronto as flesh and blood then I fear that the 4th season may be this show’s last. And it won’t be a pretty picture either. I’m hoping that Ron Moore hasn’t completely lost his mind and does indeed “have a plan” to bring Kara back and soon.

HA! Kara Thrace lives. Told you Ron Moore wouldn't kill off his gold mine character.
Now, who's betting Starbuck is a Toaster? Gotta love the "All Along the Watchtower."

Tigh
Chief
Anders
Tori
.....
Starbuck channeling Jimi Hendrix back to Galatica?
That's a little Mulder-esque, wouldn't you say?

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