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	<title>Comments on: The (Positive, Enthusiastic, Subsidized) Critics of the Future?</title>
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	<description>A blog about television by TIME’s TV critic James Poniewozik.</description>
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		<title>By: Tom Shaw</title>
		<link>http://tunedin.blogs.time.com/2009/07/13/the-positive-enthusiastic-subsidized-critics-of-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-24250</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t disagree with you in the least James - only posting positive reviews is logically equivalent to not posting negative reviews. That is not neutrality in any way, shape, or form.

Furthermore, the FTC should indeed demand that online ads be treated the same as reality-like television &amp; print ads - labeled with the same &quot;This is a paid advertisement&quot; legalese that appears in their subtitles and subscripts, respectively.

Of course, the real issue is that people are ignoring the review lessons Consumer Reports learned decades back - acquire everything with your own funding, and review nothing in a vacuum - everything is reviewed in comparison with similar products.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can't disagree with you in the least James - only posting positive reviews is logically equivalent to not posting negative reviews. That is not neutrality in any way, shape, or form.</p>
<p>Furthermore, the FTC should indeed demand that online ads be treated the same as reality-like television &amp; print ads - labeled with the same "This is a paid advertisement" legalese that appears in their subtitles and subscripts, respectively.</p>
<p>Of course, the real issue is that people are ignoring the review lessons Consumer Reports learned decades back - acquire everything with your own funding, and review nothing in a vacuum - everything is reviewed in comparison with similar products.</p>
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		<title>By: James Poniewozik</title>
		<link>http://tunedin.blogs.time.com/2009/07/13/the-positive-enthusiastic-subsidized-critics-of-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-24249</link>
		<dc:creator>James Poniewozik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I *think* I know who you&#039;re referring to, but I don&#039;t want to assume, so I&#039;ll just respond generally. 

Re: Comic-Con--I&#039;m pretty certain that no moderator is paid to attend Comic-Con. Press do get passes to it for free, like they attend numerous other conventions, expos, sporting event, etc., for free if they&#039;re covering them. News orgs pay for travel, lodging, etc., for reporters on assignment, so I don&#039;t know that getting into the event creates a sense of indebtedness (since your employer would otherwise pick up the tab anyway). 

As for making friends: yeah, that&#039;s a hazard of a lot of journalistic beats. (I tend to be more on the side of keeping distance, but that&#039;s easier for me because I&#039;m an unlikeable bastard anyway.) I would think you&#039;d want to disclose that, which it seems the critic you refer to does--that is, I assume, how you know about it. 

Anyway, overall, you&#039;re absolutely right: &quot;mainstream,&quot; &quot;traditional,&quot; &quot;full-time&quot; journalism is full of conflicts; I would never want to claim that it&#039;s not. (I have to write about HBO and TNT shows even though they&#039;re owned by the same company as TIME; I&#039;ve blogged about Morning Joe&#039;s Starbucks product placement, etc.) I don&#039;t want to make this the righteous, principled professionals versus those wicked bloggers, because that&#039;s not what it is at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I *think* I know who you're referring to, but I don't want to assume, so I'll just respond generally. </p>
<p>Re: Comic-Con--I'm pretty certain that no moderator is paid to attend Comic-Con. Press do get passes to it for free, like they attend numerous other conventions, expos, sporting event, etc., for free if they're covering them. News orgs pay for travel, lodging, etc., for reporters on assignment, so I don't know that getting into the event creates a sense of indebtedness (since your employer would otherwise pick up the tab anyway). </p>
<p>As for making friends: yeah, that's a hazard of a lot of journalistic beats. (I tend to be more on the side of keeping distance, but that's easier for me because I'm an unlikeable bastard anyway.) I would think you'd want to disclose that, which it seems the critic you refer to does--that is, I assume, how you know about it. </p>
<p>Anyway, overall, you're absolutely right: "mainstream," "traditional," "full-time" journalism is full of conflicts; I would never want to claim that it's not. (I have to write about HBO and TNT shows even though they're owned by the same company as TIME; I've blogged about Morning Joe's Starbucks product placement, etc.) I don't want to make this the righteous, principled professionals versus those wicked bloggers, because that's not what it is at all.</p>
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		<title>By: rchu</title>
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		<dc:creator>rchu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Claques have applauded in theaters for thousands of years. Shills have posted Letters to the Editor in Time magazine for decades. Of greater concern to me are physicians who take gifts or trips from drug or medical device companies. Caveat emptor, indeed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Claques have applauded in theaters for thousands of years. Shills have posted Letters to the Editor in Time magazine for decades. Of greater concern to me are physicians who take gifts or trips from drug or medical device companies. Caveat emptor, indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: maxhem</title>
		<link>http://tunedin.blogs.time.com/2009/07/13/the-positive-enthusiastic-subsidized-critics-of-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-24242</link>
		<dc:creator>maxhem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 01:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems there&#039;s a sketchiness around the TV critic business these days.

One critic whom you link to writes so obsessively about Comic-Con, weeks before it&#039;s set to commence, that by reading her work you&#039;d think that was the *ONLY* thing that&#039;s been happening in the TV world the past month and a half. And she&#039;s moderating a panel and presumably attending Comic-Con for free. Is she essentially getting compensated to be a public relations shill for Comic-Con? It&#039;s hard to tell these days.

Another critic that you link to is good friends with several TV actors and TV creators and TV personalites. He even brags about being in the same fantasy league with them. So what happens when he has to write a review of their work (which he has)? 

I understand that TV critics sometimes have to wear the reporter hat, too, but shouldn&#039;t there be some kind of professional.

My point is that well-regarded TV critics aren&#039;t always ethically in the clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems there's a sketchiness around the TV critic business these days.</p>
<p>One critic whom you link to writes so obsessively about Comic-Con, weeks before it's set to commence, that by reading her work you'd think that was the *ONLY* thing that's been happening in the TV world the past month and a half. And she's moderating a panel and presumably attending Comic-Con for free. Is she essentially getting compensated to be a public relations shill for Comic-Con? It's hard to tell these days.</p>
<p>Another critic that you link to is good friends with several TV actors and TV creators and TV personalites. He even brags about being in the same fantasy league with them. So what happens when he has to write a review of their work (which he has)? </p>
<p>I understand that TV critics sometimes have to wear the reporter hat, too, but shouldn't there be some kind of professional.</p>
<p>My point is that well-regarded TV critics aren't always ethically in the clear.</p>
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		<title>By: masurix</title>
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		<dc:creator>masurix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@lhillberg: That&#039;s a good point about the radio announcers.  It also always really chapped my hide.  Paul Harvey was telling you the news 10 seconds ago and now he&#039;s talking to you in the same voice about a new and fabulous product that he, personally, adores. It would take me a few seconds to switch gears from &quot;valid and actual information&quot; to &quot;shilling for some product.&quot;  That was purposeful, and I always thought it was deeply disingenuous.  

This issue came up about a year ago on Ctrl-Alt-Del when I realized that the author, who writes comics and blogs about various video game stuff, was being paid to sing the praises of some fancy bean bag.  At first, I thought he just really liked them and I was like, &quot;Huh, they sound kinda cool.&quot;  Then when he began to laud the company in earnest and (at great length), I realized it was obviously a product placement instead of a user review.  This meant that I couldn&#039;t ever trust anything he said about a product ever again, and thus have never read a word he&#039;s typed since.  I used to care what he thought and it influenced some purchases of mine.  That&#039;s all done now.  Pretty sure I&#039;d feel that way about anyone writing &#039;positively incentivized content.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@lhillberg: That's a good point about the radio announcers.  It also always really chapped my hide.  Paul Harvey was telling you the news 10 seconds ago and now he's talking to you in the same voice about a new and fabulous product that he, personally, adores. It would take me a few seconds to switch gears from "valid and actual information" to "shilling for some product."  That was purposeful, and I always thought it was deeply disingenuous.  </p>
<p>This issue came up about a year ago on Ctrl-Alt-Del when I realized that the author, who writes comics and blogs about various video game stuff, was being paid to sing the praises of some fancy bean bag.  At first, I thought he just really liked them and I was like, "Huh, they sound kinda cool."  Then when he began to laud the company in earnest and (at great length), I realized it was obviously a product placement instead of a user review.  This meant that I couldn't ever trust anything he said about a product ever again, and thus have never read a word he's typed since.  I used to care what he thought and it influenced some purchases of mine.  That's all done now.  Pretty sure I'd feel that way about anyone writing 'positively incentivized content.'</p>
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		<title>By: tyrantking</title>
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		<dc:creator>tyrantking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe blogs exist to counter the cynicism and negativity of professional critics? Maybe they took it to heart when their mothers said that if you don&#039;t have anything nice to say, don&#039;t say anything at all. Maybe you&#039;re jealous that you have to watch every awful show that comes along and bloggers can choose what they write about. I don&#039;t mean to pick on you, but critics have a reputation for being mean cynical people. They even made a show about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe blogs exist to counter the cynicism and negativity of professional critics? Maybe they took it to heart when their mothers said that if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. Maybe you're jealous that you have to watch every awful show that comes along and bloggers can choose what they write about. I don't mean to pick on you, but critics have a reputation for being mean cynical people. They even made a show about it.</p>
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		<title>By: lhillberg</title>
		<link>http://tunedin.blogs.time.com/2009/07/13/the-positive-enthusiastic-subsidized-critics-of-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-24238</link>
		<dc:creator>lhillberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say this does not bother me all that much. Maybe growing up listening to radio announcers tell me how much they like one particular bed store or restaurant or whatever puts me of a mind that the reference is a for what it is worth variety. 
Transparency tells you that is what you are getting. If you are at Time.com you don&#039;t have to worry about it, but at KNBR (SF Sports Radio Leader) think twice. It is going to happen as the web provides so much flexibility as to commentary. That is what it is great at, so embrace it and learn to consider the source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say this does not bother me all that much. Maybe growing up listening to radio announcers tell me how much they like one particular bed store or restaurant or whatever puts me of a mind that the reference is a for what it is worth variety.<br />
Transparency tells you that is what you are getting. If you are at Time.com you don't have to worry about it, but at KNBR (SF Sports Radio Leader) think twice. It is going to happen as the web provides so much flexibility as to commentary. That is what it is great at, so embrace it and learn to consider the source.</p>
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		<title>By: James Poniewozik</title>
		<link>http://tunedin.blogs.time.com/2009/07/13/the-positive-enthusiastic-subsidized-critics-of-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-24236</link>
		<dc:creator>James Poniewozik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@yogi: I think it would be similar if the swag were contingent on a positive review. It&#039;s the element of incentivizing only positivity that gets me. 

Or, another hypothetical: say I were totally free to write a positive or negative review of HawthoRNe. But if I wrote a POSITIVE review, Lifetime would also send me $100.  

But I would totally have given a thumbs up review in exchange for a bottle of HawthoRNe Vicodin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@yogi: I think it would be similar if the swag were contingent on a positive review. It's the element of incentivizing only positivity that gets me. </p>
<p>Or, another hypothetical: say I were totally free to write a positive or negative review of HawthoRNe. But if I wrote a POSITIVE review, Lifetime would also send me $100.  </p>
<p>But I would totally have given a thumbs up review in exchange for a bottle of HawthoRNe Vicodin.</p>
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		<title>By: yogi</title>
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		<dc:creator>yogi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, I guess its just more reason to read more than one blog for an opinion if one cares that much.  A note saying this was a paid review would also be nice too.
.
JP: Isn&#039;t the swag you get with shows is kind of the same thing?  I mean, its certainly not money and you&#039;re not obligated to write a good review, but what if a heist show sent out coins, would that be payment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, I guess its just more reason to read more than one blog for an opinion if one cares that much.  A note saying this was a paid review would also be nice too.<br />
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JP: Isn't the swag you get with shows is kind of the same thing?  I mean, its certainly not money and you're not obligated to write a good review, but what if a heist show sent out coins, would that be payment?</p>
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		<title>By: journey2mymba</title>
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		<dc:creator>journey2mymba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope writers take a stand and do not accept advertisement money just because it pays well. It should be in line with the mission of the blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope writers take a stand and do not accept advertisement money just because it pays well. It should be in line with the mission of the blog.</p>
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