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Glenn Beck on the Cover of TIME: Mad or Glad?

Nicholas Roberts / The New York Times / Redux
TIME's cover story this week, by politics writer David von Drehle, is about Glenn Beck. (Cover line: MAD MAN.) I suspect one or two of you have an opinion about it.
Just to repeat something I've said before: I'm not an ombudsman, so I make it my policy neither to critique or defend other TIME stories at Tuned In. The main reason: because TIME pays me, anything I said in praise of one of our stories would be automatically discounted (the first rule of debate on the Internet is, Always assume your opponent is arguing in bad faith) and I can't fairly criticize an organization that I can't credibly defend. And while I'll gladly explain and discuss my own stories, I had nothing to do with this one, so I can't answer any questions.
But I've shared my own views on Beck here before, and this is the place for discussing media issues, so please use this thread for your comments, questions and criticisms, and I'll let David and the editors know it's here. Just try to keep it civil—which, judging by what usually happens when I post about Beck, may be wishful thinking.
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"the first rule of debate on the Internet is, Always assume your opponent is arguing in bad faith" - so very true isn't it. Thats really the heart of the problem with the tone of public discourse lately. It seems that most people just assume the worst in people's motives, that applies to both sides of the debate.
Which brings me to Mad or Glad...i'm neither, put me in the Sad category. I truly abhor some of the things that Beck says and represents. But at the end of the day, I try to believe that he's not trying to rile up people or stir up hate, he's likely just doing his job, same as Rush, Olbermann, O'Reilly, et al. They are all guys that are doing their jobs, get as many people to watch as they can, they just have found their own avenues to do this. (assuming he's out for ratings probably isn't assuming the best in his motives, but its also not assuming the worst, its a process people)
So when Time puts him on the cover, i'm not angry, because he's a legit story, but I am sad because it will validate the means he's used to become a more visible media persona, and perhaps encourage him to be even more outspoken/outrageous.-
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And I know it's not just the Internet, btw--it's the general state of things today, especially in settings where you don't have to look your adversary in the eye. If someone disagrees with you, better to assume they are paid off, brainwashed, stupid, corrupt, lying--anything but that an intelligent, decent person could actually disagree with you. Which attitude plenty of cable talk stars have done yeoman's work promoting.
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If someone disagrees with you, better to assume they are paid off, brainwashed, stupid, corrupt, lying--anything but that an intelligent, decent person could actually disagree with you.
This is what frustrates me most about these discussions. conservatives carry around the general attitude that all liberals hate America (and capitalism and anything the Evil West values), while liberals carry around the general attitude that conservatives are simpleton idiots (How can someone be so stupid to disagree with [global warming, embryonic stem cells, immigration, etc.]?).
I know that nobody explicitly says those things (incoming "I don't think all liberals/conservatives are anti-America/stupid!" comments), but that's the general attitude of all the discussions. That's the direction that Beck and Olbermann take, isn't it?
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James thanks for diving into the comments on this one, you're absolutely right that this extends into the cable tv sphere, and its not just the hosts either, guests are just as bad, or sometimes worse.
Dave -Whats interesting/disheartening is that I read your comment (which was spot on) and also expected a bunch of people to respond with the I don't think the worst of liberals/conservatives motives...and yet the exact opposite happened...
Great call in comment 2 about the newsweek cover...now two weeks in a row, last week "Is your baby racist?" geez, James you should feel lucky the editors just picked "The Future of TV" for your article, the way headlines are going these days, I wouldn't have been surprised if it read "The End Times Are Upon Us"
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Look, whatever you all need to do to move some more copies at the supermarket checkout is fine with me. (Joke linking this cover to a competitor's from last week removed in the interest of civility)
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Husband is a doctor of pharmacy and has had a subscription to Time for over 40 years and CANCELLED THE SUBSCRIPTION TODAY!! I applaud his decision to take a stand against Time that has turned into a liberal rag .
Your cover calling Glenn beck a "madman" convinced him to cancel and proved were your loyalties lie. You should have stayed neutral but you didn't and you will pay for it by losing subscribers! -
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Hilarious, and classic, that you would cancel a subscription of Time without even reading the story, which was sympathetic at best and wildly sycophantic at worst. If you don't understand what those words mean, just so you know, the profile of Beck was positive--in fact, far more positive than I would ever expect from a mainstream news outlet that insists upon being taken seriously. The author's attempt at "balance" veered into a characterization of actual facts as "liberal propaganda."
It's incredibly bizarre to me that Time would want to tone down Beck's mental illness and make him seem cuddly, and correct about his conspiracies. It makes his racism seems almost "cute." What a repulsive article to those seeking real insight or journalism--there's certainly none to be found here.
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Scully,
Beck may be crazy, but he's not a racist. Every time you Libs play the race card you injure our nation. Jimmy Carter may have made the greatest political mistake of his career this past weekend. He set race relations back twenty years and hurt the Obama administration badly. People are tired of having their legitimate concerns written off as racism. Race has nothing to do with the health care debate.
The backlash against Obama's ideas would have been just as severe had the DEMS elected Clinton or Edwards to carry them forward.
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Brettla,
"Every time you play the race card you injure our nation." LOL...ok, guess that's the new stock answer these days.
I'm not playing the race card, and I don't take this lightly. Beck has said patently racist things on numerous occasions, and takes his views from Cleon Skousen, a radical right-winger and former Bircher, and Mormon, whose racist views are on display in the books Beck promotes so furiously ("The 5000 Year Leap," "The Naked Communist") and from whom Beck got the idea for the 9/12 Project.
This has nothing to do with Carter, Obama, or the health care debate, and everything to do with Beck's own words. But I wonder how much you've really thought about the root of your so-called "legitimate concerns" and where all this anger comes from. No, I can't and don't lump all of it under a racist banner, but I call it like I see it: if someone like Beck says racist things, I then have to consider him a racist. If people at the protests carry racist signs, I have to consider them racists. I don't know how the use of the word "pickanniny" or signs depicting Obama as an African witch doctor, the Confederate flag, and "What's the difference between the Cleveland Zoo and the White House? The Zoo has an African Lion, and the White House has a lyin' African!" (among many, many others) are not racist. And many appear to agree, as Beck has lost over 50% of his ad revenue since he started spouting overtly racist remarks like the ones detailed in the article under discussion. Not to mention the fact that Beck himself has admitted that he has made "racist statements." Please wake up and smell the reality.
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If everytime someone "set back race relations 20 years" they really did we'd be back in about 430 AD. Can we retire that phrase yet?
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"Can we retire that phrase yet?"
Seconded. I'm pretty sure there weren't even "race relations" in 430 AD, unless we're concerned about the Romans infringing on the civil rights of the Visigoths....
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"travelbizcash"....I'm sorry, I'm having trouble even TYPING that with a straight face.
P.S.- pretty sad attempt with that post there, hoss.I'll throw out the disclaimer now: I haven't read the article yet. However, I do subscribe, so I'll most likely receive it tomorrow. I expect to be disappointed by it, considering scully70's reaction above. I'm already wishing Matt Taibbi had written it.
Anyways, acting like a nut and mock-emoting are Beck's stock in trade; TIME is simply throwing a jokey title on the yutz.
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Great big ewww. The problem isn't Beck. The problem is the MSM's validation of him with stories like this. There's no one left to hold the line.
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The simple fact of the matter is this bi polar simpleton is only a well paid corporate puppet making millions lying to people for FOXs benefit..the rights ability to continue to play the fear card and the publics stupidity to soak in it is the sad reality of the dumbing down of America. Talk about flip flopper....
"The inevitable question is, How much of this industry is sincere? Last year, shortly after the election, Beck spoke with TIME's Kate Pickert, and he didn't sound very scared back then. Of Obama's early personnel decisions, he said, "I think so far he's chosen wisely." Of his feelings about the President: "I am not an Obama fan, but I am a fan of our country ... He is my President, and we must have him succeed. If he fails, we all fail." Of the Democratic Party: "I don't know personally a single Democrat who is a dope-smoking hippie that wants to turn us into Soviet Russia." Of the civic duty to trust: "We've got to pull together, because we are facing dark, dark times. I don't trust a single weasel in Washington. I don't care what party they're from. But unless we trust each other, we're not going to make it."
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I have no problem with puting Beck on the cover -- he is newsworthy, and pretty much belongs there.
My problem is that the story itself is an atrocity -- Beck spreads lies and hate, and deserves absolutely no respect.
IMHO, James' piece on Beck (http://tunedin.blogs.time.com/2009/09/11/dont-tell-me-what-912-means-glenn-beck/) should have formed the core of the article -- and everyone at Time but James should be embarrassed to be associated with the magazine today.
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While I agree that Beck spreads lies and hate, I think the point of the article is that he couldn't sell it if no one was buying. The US is filled with eager consumers of such vitriol these days.
I think it's an important issue to bring to light and that Time did a good job of it. People are scared, and Beck has a gift for exploiting that and turning it into rage and hatred. It's a lot more comfortable to be angry than to be afraid, and Beck knows that. In fact, he's built a career on it.
A fear-monger like Beck can't exist in a vacuum. He's a reflection of the way a lot of people are feeling, and thus I think it's crucial to not just blow him off as another talking head. More people than you might want to imagine think this man is a reasonable, rational everyman who shares their concerns. That is truly scary, and we need to be cognizant of it.
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I guess this is the end of the line for me and Time magazine. I subscribe to both Time and Newsweek. Glenn Beck on the cover of this week's Time . . . especially in comparison to the cover story and rich reporting regarding same for my most recent Newsweek ("The Case for Killing Granny") pretty much separated the chaff from the wheat. I read the Newsweek issue pretty much cover to cover. I need information . . . I don't need to be entertained, enraged, or dumbed down!
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Very clever of Time and WordPress to lure readers and add subscribers to their "free" service, which one cannot delete after signing up.
The incendiary Mr. Beck, who talks more shtick out of his rear than his head, is not just another clown to make it to the cover of TIME. He provokes genuine disgust, disbelief, and revulsion from people who have witnessed his lunatic rants. At a time when America truly needs clarity and unity, Beck dishes out the complete opposite in generous portions: sensational lies, hatred, conjecture, and fear. Beck is the "deranged conspiracist", the self-deprecating Joker, and the desperate little voice of your gut indulging your worst doubts and suspicions.
The industry that funds and promotes the likes of Beck is not sincere. It's a ratings shark and it is driven by sheer opportunism and personality theater.
When Bush was elected for a second term, most Americans were convinced that "SOMETHING JUST DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT." And where were the enraged voices of the Right? For a guy who claims he is a recovering alcoholic, a Mormon, and an Independent... nothing Beck says rings true.This Time cover feature is a sad and disheartening commentary of American culture and its grossly misguided priorities. It champions the worst in every one of us and does a terrible disservice to the public at large. In these times of enormous peril, loss, fear, and uncertainty, we need to experience what clowns do best: make us laugh.
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Time magazine is a silly, irrelevant rag. They put Beck on the cover to move some product. He is their worst nightmare. He will continue to KICK THE LIVING $#%^ out of CNN.
hehehehehehehehehehe!
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Vinman69 he is America's worst nightmare.
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I did read the article and think that it is one of the most poorly written pieces of garbage I have seen in a long time. I have been reading and enjoying Time for many years but this one really stunk up the place. Based upon the title I was expecting it to bash Glenn in a professional manner of course. But it was neither pro or con and basically tried to infer than Glenn is just another outspoken radical in a long list of paranoid politics that has been occuring since 1798. Anyhow the article is loaded with meaningless adjectives and adverbs with little actual analysis of topics that Glenn has discussed on his show. No offense but I see a lot of same mindless dribble in these comments maybe even my own. THE BIG QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED IS WHY IS GLENN THE ONLY ONE RAISING THE POLITICAL ISSUES WITH THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION??? For example I would be happy to see even one response to why hasn't anyone else raised an issue with Acorn? Cheers
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Please help me understand something?
Does Time need to "chum" the water? I mean you really wrote as if Glenn Beck made legitimate points?
Do you really think he has legitimate arguments?
I mean really Time help me understand how a "serious" news magazine writes a story like this one and not investigate the things that he's said and prove them to either be True and correct of False and a pack of lies.
I've been very disappointed in the "mainstream" media I know you've all been bought and paid for and you really are no longer independent journalist who form your reporting out of Facts.
In fact nowadays facts seem to be optional.
I really and truly believe that the dumbing down of the American educational system has been done deliberately.
At first I thought it was to harm solely minorities and the poor now I see it was to be able to control the American people.
If you are stupid and uneducated as Beck is and you have mental deficiencies like ADHD and alcoholism, you are easy to dupe.
Beck lucked up on a career and now because he's famous he's suppose to be taken as a serious commentator on the news?
No really Time why did you do that or are you NOT to be taken seriously?
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I want an answer.
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